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Monday, December 10, 2007

Generational warfare
Posted by Jill | 5:31 AM
Last month I had an extended and rather heated exchange with one of our commenters who made a host of sweeping generalizations about baby boomers, few if any of which were true. I've had conversations with some of my Gen-X friends on this as well, with many of them similarly blaming the baby boomers for their own plight. I've even seen Gen-Xers trying to claim Keith Olbermann as one of their own, even though he was born in 1959 and therefore is indisputably a baby boomer. I hate to tell them this, but no less a Gen-X icon than old Lloyd Dobler himself, John Cusack, only escaped the dread Baby Boomer label by a mere six months.

I'm seeing a lot of this lately; blaming the baby boomers for everything that's gone wrong in this country, hand-in-hand with the idea that Gen-X, Gen-Y, and the Millenials are somehow either a) hapless victims of the evil boomers (largely the province of Gen-Xers who are now reaching an age when the refusal to "sell out" is starting to have the nasty consequences of no savings and no health insurance); b) greedy, evil people who have sucked up all the resources and left nothing for anyone else; or c) an entire generation of hippies who had all the sex and all the drugs and all the fun and then became Republicans and tried to deny anyone else the fun they had.

Over at Americablog, the primary culprit is "Chris in Paris", who yesterday posted yet another of his screeds contrasting the evil, venal baby boomers with the pure, altruistic millennials:


For years we all heard about the staggering retirement costs related to the Boomers but in the last year we hear much more about the work attitudes of the Boomers compared to the younger workers. The UK, probably like the US, is facing a problem with a substantial percentage of school principals heading into retirement. That alone is not necessarily a problem, but the younger generations are showing little interest in taking on the stresses/risks of management. They would just assume make a little bit less money and enjoy time with friends and family.

All of this is connected and surely is a reaction to what many of us saw growing up. How many kids under 30 (and younger than the Boomers) saw parents lose all job security? How many saw parents/family pursue higher positions only to be tossed aside with the first sign of trouble. As much as Boomers like to argue that young kids are just lazy, I simply don't buy it. It's obvious to me that we are in a testing period where employers and employees are trying to figure out the dynamics of the future.

Maybe young workers will have to give a little (leaving home, for example) but I also think that they are forcing employers to update and adjust. More young workers want a clearer division between work and life and they are not going to be intertwined as we saw with the Boomers. This is a healthy change, in my opinion. It's a different world today and that means adjustments are necessary. If the best employers can offer is job insecurity, fewer benefits and pushing workers upwards to their own level of self-incompetence, something needs to give. More power to the youth who are forcing change. Just because the Boomers don't like it or it doesn't fit with their model of life, doesn't mean it's wrong.


The name "Dennis Hopper" always comes up in these conversations as being somehow emblematic of the baby boom generation even though with a birth year of 1936, he's only nine years younger than MY mother and is closer to the WWII generation than to the baby boom. I suppose this is due to those ghastly TV commercials he does for Ameriprise, which annoy even me. But just because someone played a rebel in Easy Rider, a movie that has come to be regarded as THE signature film of the 1960's doesn't make him a baby boomer. And even if he were, the fact is that those born between 1946 and 1964 are as polyglot as any generation before or after them.

There have always been rebels. John Reed and Louise Bryant and Gertrude Stein were radicals, and the bohemian monde was already thriving in Greenwich Village when the Titanic sank. The Beat Generation was already in or close to adulthood and beyond by the time WWII rolled around. William S. Burroughs was born in 1914, Jack Kerouac in 1922; and Allen Ginsberg in 1926. The unfortunate reality, if you look at the American Rebel in the 20th century, is that none of the rebel movements that arose have ever managed to make more than a dent in "the system."

I was born in 1955, which meant that I was in junior high and high school during most of what we think of as the 1960's upheaval. As such, I was too young for a lot of what went on, though there were people my age who ran away from home in their early teens and went to Haight-Ashbury and hung out with those who formed the San Francisco music scene. Many of those either never made it out alive or never really got their lives together afterwards, because teenage runaways rarely do. I went to the antiwar marches, and stuffed envelopes for progressive Democratic candidates, but there really isn't all that much you can do to Change the World when you're a high school student living with your parents.

I was raised by parents whom I've always believed really wanted to be beatniks. They were the kind of Adlai Stevenson liberal intellectuals you had in the late 1950's and early 1960's; cynics about the process who hated Nixon with a passion, read Jules Feiffer cartoons and The New Yorker and had major freakouts, though in different ways, when what we think of as "The Sixties" came around and my sister was just old enough to take part.

I graduated high school into the first of the 1970's oil shocks, and graduated college into another one. By that time, the left was all but dead; traumatized by the assassinations of 1968, the defeat of Eugene McCarthy for the 1968 nomination by the Vietnam-identified party choice Hubert Humphrey and the election of Richard Nixon, the re-election of Nixon in 1972 and Watergate. Vietnam finally ended, however ignominiously, and by 1977 we were too worried about double-digit inflation and getting up at four in the morning to be on the gas line by five to do much of anything by way of activism.

There's this notion Chris and others put forward that the 80-hour workweek is somehow the invention of sellout baby boomers out of pure greed for bigger houses and ever-more electronic gewgaws and STUFF. But the fact of the matter is that at least for people born my year and later, especially those of us on a white-collar track, the defined benefit pensions and job security that our parents enjoyed was already largely gone by the time we emerged from college into a recession caused by the second oil shock in a decade.

I remember a cartoon that made the rounds during the early 1980's. It was called "The Reading of the Will", and it depicted a bequest from the World War II generation to the baby boomers, such as taking all the prosperity and all the Social Security and all the pensions. So the idea that the previous generation stole all the goodies for itself and left nothing for the future isn't new.

During my high school and college years, I knew as many kinds of people as exist. There were the student council liberals in their plaid pants; the kind of guys who went on to run for office on the safest of Democratic platforms. There were the "love it or leave it" chickenhawks -- the guys who were gung-ho about the Vietnam War (though they were relieved when they drew a high draft number) and adored Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew. Those are the guys who spawned the likes of George W. Bush and Karl Rove. There were the hippie/politicos; the ones who organized school walkouts on Martin Luther King Day before it was a holiday and arranged large groups to participate in big antiwar marches in New York and Earth Day festivals in the local park. And then there were the drugs-and-music crowd, which I can't say much about because in my school, they tended to be part of the hippie/politico crowd.

I suspect that if you went to any high school today, you'd find the same basic groups, albeit distributed perhaps differently. And among my generation, the YAF chickenhawk crowd is still supporting war, albeit another pointless one, the liberals are largely still liberal, and many of those who did the whole hippie/drug thing are long dead or burnt out.

Are most corporate CEOs today baby boomers? Absolutely; but this is largely a function of age rather than a sign of a mass sellout by the baby boom generation. And many of the names most closely associated with corporate greed, like Dennis Hopper, pre-date or were born in the earliest years of the baby boom: former Exxon chief Lee Raymond (1938), Ken Lay (1942), just-fired Citigroup head Charles Prince (1950), jailed Tyco chief Dennis Kozlowski (1946). Other baby boom CEOs include Apple's Steve Jobs (1955); Microsoft's Bill Gates (1955), who may be loathsome for other reasons and preposterously wealthy, but is also putting a good chunk of his fortune into philanthropy; Echostar's Charlie Ergen (1953), who is a kind of folk hero among his customers; and Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield (both 1951).

The 80-hour workweek, this drive towards "productivity" that has us all spinning our wheels harder for less reward, found its footing during the Reagan years, when the doctrine of "trickle-down" economics had American workers behaving like the Little Engine that Could, working ever-longer hours with ever-less security, repeating "I think I can I think I can I think I can" while deluding themselves that if they just WORKED HARD ENOUGH, they'd get their piece of the Republican pie. And nothing that's happened in the meantime, no matter how much they've been screwed, has dissuaded many from this belief.

Another reason, other than sheer size, that the boomers are being blamed for everything is because of Bill Clinton, the baby boomer president who in his sexual laxity represented everything about the sixties that caused our parents' generation (and those boomers who still adhered to their parents' values) to freak out, and combined it with a nearly pathological desire to be liked and to "play nice with others." This need, combined with a ferocious political "pragmatism" brought us eight years of prosperity, but it also brought us NAFTA and other trade policy that led to the wave of outsourcing of American jobs that we see today. And now that president's wife, whom everyone forgets was a Goldwater Girl before Republicans turned her into Lady Macbeth by way of Janis Joplin by way of Angela Davis, is also running for that office.

Most of us have to sell out eventually. I thought I was refusing to sell out by working in book publishing, for all that the editor for whom I worked was the foremost publisher at the time of conservative screeds by the fathers of the neocon movement. But when I couldn't afford to get my car fixed, I "sold out" and worked for a financial information services company. Later I worked for a company that does business with the company that makes Hummers and now I work for a place that does mental health research, including drug research. I don't have to work 80 hours a week, and while I feel I'm compensated quite fairly, I'm not rich, nor would I be if I did work 80 hours a week. However, when your competition is willing to work 80 hours a week for peanuts, as is the case when jobs are outsourced overseas, taking a month off to go hang gliding in Macchu Picchu isn't going to be applauded by employers, no matter how much Chris in Paris thinks millennials are going to change the nature of the workplace. Far more likely is that millennials and the generation after them will find the screws being tightened even more so by employers.

No doubt it's the fate of every generation to be hated by the one that comes afterward, because unfortunately (as we have found out, much to our dismay and eternal embarrassment), rebels have been trying to change the world for the last century; and not even a large generational population is not going to be homogeneous enough to create any kind of real change all by itself.

Now if the Gen-Xers moaning about how they aren't going to see any Social Security (which by the way, we always knew to be true of us as well) and the progressive millennials thinking that they are going to be able to work 20 hours a week so they can go kite flying every night and still make enough to pay the rent and if they can't it's all the fault of their boomer managers, would recognize that there is greater power when generations get together in the common interest rather than their own parochial ones, perhaps we would have the numbers to make substantive changes. Because a lot of us have been out here trying for the past 30-40 years. We've had limited success at best, but we could sure use the help as we continue.

Of course that would require making an effort instead of complaining and scapegoating Baby Boomers as the source of all our problems the way Republicans have decided to scapegoat Mexicans.

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Blogger Thursday's Child said...
'Course some of us are just too busy down in the front lines trying to make ends meet to even think about this stuff most of the time.

I'm a Gen-Xer and while I read with interest about the spread of generations back before I had kids and the push pull generational characteristics can have on the social/political climate in this country, I'm now too neck-deep in the day-to-day struggles of work/life balance to see much beyond tomorrow.

That said, work/life balance issues are a huge factor for me, though it's not so much about fighting off the evil oppression of Boomer bosses or flipping the status quot as built by the previous generation as just, trying to make things work for me and mine.

I make very little now, but I work from home for a company whose philosophy I like and that I don't feel ashamed to put my name behind. There's drawbacks and advantages to this choice I've made. I might have to re-evaluate at some point because I have a child with special needs that have to be addressed and I'm fortunate enough, to be in a position where if I choose to, I can pursue a different career path and make a lot more money to provide for his needs if I have to.

At any rate, I don't really think that any of these ranting bloggers really speak for the majority of us Gen-Xers who are out there, down in the trenches actually living life instead of navel-gazing about it. And I still do manage to eke out a few minutes a day to write something online. Only it's not usually bitching about how the last generation gave me a tough row to hoe.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Jill
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this on.
First, on the issues of sweeping generalizations...you claim that it is the Gen Xers who are making them, only to then make some pretty monster sized generalizations yourself.
Second, on the question of defined ages of each generation...you're being a little too cute with your arguement. By your calculations, the Beatles (all born between 1040 and 1943) are in fact part of the WWII generation and not baby boom. Which is just silly. The people who influence a generation should be considered part of that generation. KO can therefore be considered GenX as his show has had a great infulence on defineing this generation as we become politically relevent and aware.
Lastly, while I agree that GenX angst against the baby boomers is nothing that hasn't happened before...and that a lot of this anger can be considered just "generational blame game", I still cannot help but feel that many boomers (such as Tom Brokaugh and his 1968 documentary) like to pat themselves on the back saying how "they changed the world FOREVER" yet meanwhile in the real world, the status quo is still the status quo. Only this time instead of the WWIII generation controlling things we now have the boomers in charge...Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Blogger Jill said...
Rockysci, just as you did during our previous conversation, you're confusing media with real life. The Beatles might not be WWII generation, but to say that those who influenced the baby boom generation are baby boomers is ridiculous. The Beatles were influenced by guys like Chuck Berry, who was influenced by guys like Louis Jordan, who was influenced by big band swing bands, who were influenced by early blues and jazz bands, who were influenced by the music of the African diaspora, who were influenced by the music of Africa. And so it goes. If anything, and if you want to talk about, say, John Lennon (the anniversary of whose murder I let stand without comment because in my book his "activism" was just so much armchair quarterbacking), he was influenced by the generation that embraced him more than the other way around.

As for Tom Brokaw's program on the sixties, well, all I need to know about that is that they were too fucking cheap to get the rights to the original recordings of the music of the time, choosing instead cheap knockoff covers.

The fact of the matter is that most baby boomers are not sitting around congratulating themselves 24/7 for how much they changed the world, any more than the WWII generation sat around congratulating itself for WWII. When they do these specials, they get the same Usual Suspects every time -- famous people who lived the stuff that got all the press, instead of the people who just meandered through life at the time.

Most of us are sitting here wondering how the hell we're going to pay off the mortgage after we're kicked out of the workplace because our younger bosses think we've already taken up more than our share of space and how we're going to live during retirement with the market tanking by hundreds of points every few weeks.

Taking a network anchorman's recap of the sixties with the experiences that real people lived is sort of like saying that everyone who lived in the U.S. during WWII had the same experiences as George Patton.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Jill
I don't get it....are you saying The Beatles are or are not Boomers? The influences of The Beatles have little to do with whether they are part of the Boomer generation.

Blogger Jill said...
The Beatles are not boomers. Period.

Blogger Bob said...
Bill Clinton's womanizing was just JFK in a different media era.

When I was growing up, the assumption was that one could always find a job at the GM or Ford plant. Wasn't an appealing alternative, but a lot of the adults in my town had built comfortable lifestyles on that work. Becoming a school teacher was considered upward mobility even though it paid less. You had a college degree, tenure, shorter hours, & more respect.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm using my uber-gen-X mind rays to predict that virtually all of the Gen Xers you hear complaining about Boomers have parents who are Boomers? Ai-ight? That 'splains that. Intergenerational conflict has been around since Adam and Eve's (surviving?) kids sat down to pen their memoirs and started with, "They had the Garden of Eden, and they couldn't even manage to not fuck that up for the rest of us!"

Blogger Kathy said...
Rockysci writes:

By your calculations, the Beatles (all born between 1040 and 1943) are in fact part of the WWII generation and not baby boom. Which is just silly. The people who influence a generation should be considered part of that generation.

Rockysci, think for a minute about why the baby boom generation got that name. Do you need me or Jill to explain it to you? The Beatles are not baby boomers; no one born before 1946 could possibly be a baby boomer. It's not open to argument, really. The demographics are what they are.

Generations are not defined by musical associations -- they are defined by very particular demographics, or some very strong, broad, overall shared set of experiences or historical realities.

Say it all you want, Rocky. The Beatles are not baby boomers.

But I am.

Kathy, born July 4, 1950

Blogger Jill said...
AHA, pursuant to what Kathy said -- Gen-Xers don't have boomer parents. The Gen-X birth years are loosely defined as around 1968-1979. Perhaps some of those have parents who are from the first years of the baby boom, but most Gen-Xers have been co-workers of baby boomers not children of them. I think the peak years of the boom were like 1955-1959, which makes it impossible for them to birth Gen-Xers.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Don't forget the political element in this discussion too.

This latest wave of intergenerational warfare was launched by the Cato Institute and perpetuated by the Bush administration as the baseline argument for why we "can't afford" programs they hate, namely Social Security and Medicare.

They have said the only way to kill those programs is to persuade future generations that they won't be there for them or that they're fundamentally unfair. That's where the latest screed of "tHese greedy baby boomers are going to bleed their children and grandchildren dry so they can lounge on a beach or play the back nine somewhere" started. It's myth of course...but very persuasive propoganda for future generations.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Your arguements are retarded....The fact that you won't consider the Beatles as Boomers is just flat out wrong. Period. Ask randomly that guestion to your co-workers, friends or family and I guarante you 90-95% will say the Beatles are boomers.
Further, as a GenX'er, my parents are Boomers...I don't know how you calculated that Xers can't have Boomer parents....
This arguement is more about minor issues (such as whether or not the Beatles are boomers) and not about the underlying issue.
Yes, there is some generational warfare going on. Yes, there are Gen Xers out there who tire of hearing how great it was back in the sixties, when the poeple were out there man...fightin the system...only to look with our own eyes at the world that we have inherited, and seeing one big monster shitpile, where nothing has been acomplished. Where people are still argueing about the same shit, but this time, all us Gen Xers are being called lazy, unambitious, apathetic young punks who didn't challenge the system like the bommer generations did man.....
Its horseshit....boomers didnt change the world, and Gen Xers aren't lazy. Lets leave it at that.

Blogger Jill said...
No, we're not going to leave it at that. Just because you say so? How narcissistic is that?

The baby boom is not a culture, it is a set of years during which men returning from war married and had a lot of children. There is no such thing as baby boom culture. The people born during the baby boomer vary in terms of outlook just as much as any other generation.

Did you read what I wrote about bohemians in the early part of the 20th century, or were you too busy nursing your grievances?

I don't happen to think Gen-Xers or Y-ers or Millennials are lazy, but I do think that in looking to scapegoat the boomers, you're losing an opportunity to see what YOU can do to enact permanent change. Perhaps your mileage may differ. But somehow, I don't think so. People have been trying to change the system for a hundred years and have yet to do so.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Birthdate:53
Boomer
So, it is correct that little has dented the prevailing and, indeed, dominant deep institutional arrangements that have been in place for the elite for centuries. The Brit empire morphed into the EuroAmerican Empire and the hallmarks are these deep institutional arrangements that keep all of us "niggers" (boomers, xers, Mexicans, Blacks, Indians, etc) down on the farm. It's a desired and perhaps engineered occurrence that we work our butts off, give away a huge chunk of our lives trying to maintain the quiet miracle of a normal life. Bound by the institutional arrangements that give us back crumbs from a corrupted monetary system if we're white, continued slavery in prison if black male, concentration camps if you're American Indian, and Mexicans? Well, seen Lou "sic em" Dobbs lately? Generational conflict is a manufactured distraction from the institutional arrangements themselves. Right now, and for six years, these same oppressive, anti life arrangements are being codified in Iraq. It's a long story and the elite love war....good for business. But what they love the best is civil war. Civil War? music to their ears. Revolution? Not. So. Much.
Generational conflict, race conflict, gender conflict is self defeating in the face of these deep institutional arrangements. It will always remain just a "dent" in their armor if we continue to fuss with each other. When one examines the "poison in, poison out" phenomenon of TV, and the dumbing down process, it appears to me that we are maybe a generation away from a conflict whereby those completely and irrevocably colonized by Fox News and corporate casino capitalism will look upon anyone, and especially the remaining elders not so completely colonized, as dire threats. Last week's referendums in Venezuela attempting to counter the existing deep institutional arrangements of neo liberal colonialism with institutional arrangements of true socialism drew an immediate and severe response from the US. This is the real battleground. Not amongst ourselves or with the Mexicans. They are us. It is with the institutional arrangements that demands our attention. The progression of the generations' lives listed in the post offer many clues about these arrangements' pernicious effects. "selling out" is inaccurate terminology. It will always be "dents" if we stay fractured.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Jill, your opponent in this debate shows his hand when he demands you ask around for proof, because in this strange time and in his mind, opinion constitutes fact. We know very well that opinions and facts are not made of the same ephemeral or quantifiable stuffs, but when your opponent resorts to conflating the two there can be no debate, only the airing of grievances.

So it's Festivus already, and that's as seriously as this character and his complaints should be taken.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
To Jill
I am not the one airing out grievences. I believe you are the originator of the post...a post that I might add is filled with grievences.

To unmask911
Amen....all of these arguements about generations, and who did what, and who's to blame are a distraction from the real issue...how do we change the institutions that have kept the masses from enjoying a "nomal living", free from poverty, failing health and slave like conditions.
To tata
you don't have a clue who I am nor how I think. Please do not armchair analyze me or pretend to speak for me or my intentions. It's a very dick-ish thing to do. Please try to state YOUR arguement, and YOUR resoning, not mine. Further I'm not a character, I'm a fucking human being who is trying to have a discussion about a topic posted by Jill. So piss off!

Further lets look at my statements and really analyze what exactly I said that was so wrong

Its an opinion (and I'd add a pretty sound one) that Jill made some monster sized generalizations in her original post. A post that I disagreed with.
It is an opinion (one that is open to debate) that poeple who have influenced a generation should be considered part of that generation. Is it the same as demographics? No. I understand that. But when we are talking about historical context, and what defines a generation, I believe that these people should be included.
It is an opinion that when the boomer generation is discussed there is a lot of unwarrented patting on the back. Maybe it is generational warfare, and maybe its just that not much has really changed.
Its a fact and not an opinion that my parents are boomers.
It is a fact that many labels are being thrown around concerning GenXers. Including that we blame the boomers for everything, we moan too much about our lives, we like kite flying, and we are ultimately going to be manipulated into denying boomers any Social Security.
It is an opinion that instaed of telling us about ourselves, maybe you should point a finger at your generation and see what you could have done better. The way I see it (based on numerous books and programs about the sixties) Boomers like to think they changed the world.
It is an opinion (one that happens to also be shared by my parents)that the world that we are being left with is far worse off than the one they inherited from their parents.
So please, I'd love to read what an ass-clown I am for having an opinion other than the collective group-think that seems to rage on this thread.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
As I said: he's got nothin'.

Moving on, then...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
wow tata...you're a real asshole...I mean that

Blogger Going Like Sixty said...
Just cruising technorati for boomer stuff and came across your site.

Please consider increasing your font size and getting more contrast in your comments.

(Maybe it's a Mac/FF deal.)

Anonymous Anonymous said...
As an Xer, I had boomer parents. I saw that they were just trying to get by. There's no anger there.

I am a bit pissed about the $9 trillion debt that got loaded onto our nation, but that anger is directed at Reagan-Bush-Bush voters, boomer or otherwise.

I am disturbed by the way the demographic bulge of the boom disturbs economic systems. I saw what happened to the stock market when boomers were saving for their retirements, and I'm concerned that the market may crash hard when the boomers start taking their money out.

Lastly, most companies try to manipulate the employees into having loyalty to the company. I may be forced to pay lip service to that idea, but ultimately I know that the company has no loyalty to me. I've seen plenty of people sacrifice their marriages and their sanity to a company, only to be laid off when the time comes.

My generation generally understands itself as a bunch of free agents. We don't want to make a large investment in our careers with one company, because that investment is just too risky. We prefer to job hop every few years, learn new things, and develop a range of experiences as a hedge against trouble.

Blogger Kathy said...
Rockysci writes:

It is an opinion (one that is open to debate) that poeple who have influenced a generation should be considered part of that generation. Is it the same as demographics? No. I understand that. But when we are talking about historical context, and what defines a generation, I believe that these people should be included.

Rocky,

I don't want to make you feel picked on, but I think you are not being logical.

Consider, for example: Bill Clinton, who is a baby boomer, has said on numerous occasions that John F. Kennedy was a huge influence on him. I don't think Clinton is alone in that among members of his generation. I know that *I* have always felt very inspired by Kennedy, and I feel strongly that the ideals he promulgated (whether he lived up to them himself is a separate issue) very much informed the politics of the Sixties (civil rights and Vietnam war dissent) -- which movements, of course, were populated mostly by boomers.

You could actually make a similar point about Martin Luther King, Jr.

Does this mean that JFK, who was born in 1917, and MLK, who was born in 1929, were themselves Baby Boomers?

A bit ridiculous to even consider such a notion, eh?

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Your opinion of me is irrelevant and your argument's weak. We've all heard what you had to say and it had no merit.

Tell your story walking.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
tata...
How is my arguement weak? Please try to explain yourself. You can't just call it weak and leave it at that...as Jill would say, that's very narcissistic of you....
kathy...
point taken. Thank you for being polite. I still have some disagreement, as I feel that when we are talking about who and what defined a generation, we can make inclusions that do not adhere stickly to the actual demographic age of said generation. I might be a lone wolf on this position, but so be it.

On another point, this is the third time that I have commented on this blog. When I first noticed this site, I figured that I have found a great blog...not only did it deal with politics from a progressive (and Jersey) perspective, but also many of the side interests of this blog interested me as well. Including Maron, Seder, old School AAR, Dexter, cats (of which I have 4), Mets, and other topics as well. However, each time I had commented, in order to give an opinion, I have been sucked into just aweful discussions. Maybe I'm too new to blogging, but many commenters on this blog suck. As I result I have shied away from even commenting on this site because of some very pissy group think mentality here. Seriously, if someone disagrees with you, make a comment, don't be a dick about it. Many commenters on this site are no better than the kewl kids of the village, who have there little click and no other thoughts other than the prevaling thoughts of the village are allowed in. How very progressive of all of you.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
OMG.. What the hell generation am I then???

Wait... Can you even see this? I mean, if I don't belong to some media created generation, am I even here at all???

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Looking over some of the responses, including yours, I must add this post script and say, "Wha... Huh?"

Someone born in 1959 could indeed have a Gen-X child. If they had the kid by the time they were 20, they sure as hell could be Boomers. I also have an aunt born in 1946 who has a son, now 29, born in 1978.

If I am foolishly making a response that someone else has, or if by chance I'm making some huge error in this exchange because I'm doing a lot of skimming, do forgive me.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
"AHA, pursuant to what Kathy said -- Gen-Xers don't have boomer parents." I'm with AlphaHuskyAlpha when I say, "Wha...huh?" My parents were born in '51 & '53 and my brother and I in '76 & '78 respectively. Baby boomer parents with two Gen-X kids according to your date criteria. Nearly all my schoolmates had parents in the same age bracket as well.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why all the hate and discontent? As a "boomer", I always give the Vonnegut explanation for all the world's woes: don't blame me, I just got here.