"Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast" -Oscar Wilde |
"The liberal soul shall be made fat, and he that watereth, shall be watered also himself." -- Proverbs 11:25 |
There is discussion of "gaps" in our current regulatory scheme that need to be filled to prevent cases like this from happening in the future. I don’t believe that is the case. Each and every one of Mr. Madoff’s relevant businesses fell under the jurisdiction of one or more financial regulators. Given what we currently know about this situation, I do not believe there was a regulatory gap that needs filled with more, often excessive regulation. Rather we should be focused on ensuring that current regulations are being met and that proper oversight is occurring.
Retired businessman Ian Thiermann is back on the job working 30 hours a week as a grocery store greeter.
Like thousands of people across the country, Thiermann invested with Wall Street financier Bernie Madoff, who is accused of allegedly running a $50 billion Ponzi scheme. Thiemann said he has lost all of his $738,000.
With house payments and medical bills piling up, Theirmann said he had no choice but to go back to work for $10 an hour.
That is, if Bush doesn't take his job as a door greeter.
As some wag once said, the problem with getting the money back from these crooks [I think he was referring to Ken Lay and that bunch, but the analogy is still right on!] is that they SPEND IT. And assuming that one of the things they spent it ON is overpriced real estate.... Although IIRC, Kenny spent like $2,000,000 [or was it $20,000,000] on a WEDDING.
Although in this specific case, Madoff sent well over $738,000 in jewelry alone to "friends". So this particular individual could probably get most of his back -- but only if everyone else in line passed...
The only ones getting any money "back" from this fiasco will be the lawyers. After they're finished with whatever Madoff has left, the "investors" ["suckers"!?] will be lucky to get pennies on the dollar...
How many Greek Islands does Madoff own?.
i kinda agree with garrett. there are plenty of rules that should have been enforced but weren't. fraud has long been illegal and i'm sure that if someone looks hard enough today they could find enough of that to put some wall streeters away for a long long time.
we should probably charge the regulators with willful dereliction of their duty. if nothing else, the rules we have would get those responsible for the current mess and not simply prevent the next one from occurring.
i'm sure he spent a good deal of it but haven't i heard of his having numerous off shore bank accounts where probably most of it is residing? that was what i was referring to, the offshore accounts that he won't/isn't giving up.
Shpilkes.
Adjita and shpilkes.
Why aren't we in the streets yet?
http://madofffraud.boomja.com/
also of items covered there form who the enablers were to the naysayers as well as the impact of the fraud on the investment business
I'm sure all the crooks have off shore accounts.
If Mr Madoff is really "cooperating with authorities" as some news items have suggested, he's identified those [and I have some swamp land you might be interested in!]. Even so, I doubt that there is $50 billion [I don't even know how many zeroes to put there] in the accounts.
So even if it was all "returned", and the lawyers still get first crack, it'll be pennies on the dollar..