I wonder: What percentage of those voters who say that Hillary Clinton is the most electable Democrat are confusing her with her husband and think it's Bill Clinton who's actually running?
Unfortunately I do know one person who wants Hillary as the nominee, and I have not been able to talk him out of it. For his part, he doesn't get why I *don't* like her, both of us being women and all. Argh.
I also know one person who really wants Hillary to be the nominee: my extremely feminist lesbian friend who sees her as the same as Bill, except also a strong woman (bonus!). Whatever.
I don't think Hillary will be the one, though. The bubble will burst when she loses Iowa... and it's really hard to see her winning Iowa. The real suspense now is whether Obama or Edwards wins, and whether an Edwards win can be parlayed into other primary wins. I think it can.
Mom likes her, and it turns out my sister does too...its strange because even as they seem to take in and understand me when I explain the corporatist ideal, truth and proof from the horse's mouth.... and Ive even gone as far as to simplify things down to : "Hillary thinks that large corporations are people too and that they deserve equal representation with the rest of society"...and they say "but she is just putting that on...she is secretly a real liberal and is gonna be fine once she is IN." I find it incredibly lazy to lump her in with the way they perceived Bill's presidency (which was really OK for them and alot of people mainly because they felt pretty comfortable...but that doesnt address the truth of some of the more unsavory things that went down) and to assume that Hill is some big liberal who is going to follow through on ending the war and rolling back what Bush has done. Yeah, end the war proper, but keep a hundred thousand soldiers there and the biggest embassy ever...and us on the verge with Iran and her hawkishness...and her feeling like she has to represent all people equally, in that rolling back tax cuts for the rich may not actually happen...Im not getting a clear plan. I dont like it, and I dont know why people arent taking this clear information into account. The feeling about Hillary seems to be just that; a feeling. For real change and to work on our own country, which god knows needs help, Edwards is the guy. I am 100% behind Edwards and am even a little hopeful that he will pull this off. I think youre right. Hill-Bill, Bill-Hill...its all a warm feeling that makes people think of the tech boom and peace time...but how would he or any of them handle whats happening now, is anyone's guess. I expect that it could be closer to the neocon approach than we want to admit.
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i dont know one person who wants Hillary as the nominee -- and most people i know are pretty liberal, progressive and sane. (ok relatively)
I don't think Hillary will be the one, though. The bubble will burst when she loses Iowa... and it's really hard to see her winning Iowa. The real suspense now is whether Obama or Edwards wins, and whether an Edwards win can be parlayed into other primary wins. I think it can.
I guess I'm feeling fairly optimistic.
I find it incredibly lazy to lump her in with the way they perceived Bill's presidency (which was really OK for them and alot of people mainly because they felt pretty comfortable...but that doesnt address the truth of some of the more unsavory things that went down) and to assume that Hill is some big liberal who is going to follow through on ending the war and rolling back what Bush has done. Yeah, end the war proper, but keep a hundred thousand soldiers there and the biggest embassy ever...and us on the verge with Iran and her hawkishness...and her feeling like she has to represent all people equally, in that rolling back tax cuts for the rich may not actually happen...Im not getting a clear plan.
I dont like it, and I dont know why people arent taking this clear information into account. The feeling about Hillary seems to be just that; a feeling.
For real change and to work on our own country, which god knows needs help, Edwards is the guy.
I am 100% behind Edwards and am even a little hopeful that he will pull this off.
I think youre right. Hill-Bill, Bill-Hill...its all a warm feeling that makes people think of the tech boom and peace time...but how would he or any of them handle whats happening now, is anyone's guess. I expect that it could be closer to the neocon approach than we want to admit.